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User Info: Peter_19

Peter_19
4 weeks ago#131
1Tekkaman posted...
Peter_19 posted...
When I was in my late teens I would hear a few times that I apparently resembled Squall a bit back then.
I am not sure if that's noticeable on my current 33-year-old self on my profile picture though, I feel like I am probably closer to Locke from FF6 there or something.

I actually see the resemblance.

Do you mean Squall or Locke?
I changed the signature again, trollolol.

User Info: 1Tekkaman

1Tekkaman
4 weeks ago#132
Peter_19 posted...
1Tekkaman posted...
Peter_19 posted...
When I was in my late teens I would hear a few times that I apparently resembled Squall a bit back then.
I am not sure if that's noticeable on my current 33-year-old self on my profile picture though, I feel like I am probably closer to Locke from FF6 there or something.

I actually see the resemblance.

Do you mean Squall or Locke?

Much more Squall. Locke, nah.
I swim through a sea of stars. . . .

User Info: Ariax

Ariax
4 weeks ago#133
It is entirely possible to admire somebody and know next to nothing about that person on a personal level. It happens all the time with celebrities.

Squall may be aloof and difficult to approach, but he also has a reputation of being amazingly skilled and competent. Couple that with the fact that people are often attracted to success, and it is not difficult to see why he is a celebrity at Balamb Garden. People might not know him well as a person, but they are definitely in awe of him.

User Info: Peter_19

Peter_19
4 weeks ago#134
1Tekkaman posted...
Peter_19 posted...
1Tekkaman posted...
Peter_19 posted...
When I was in my late teens I would hear a few times that I apparently resembled Squall a bit back then.
I am not sure if that's noticeable on my current 33-year-old self on my profile picture though, I feel like I am probably closer to Locke from FF6 there or something.

I actually see the resemblance.

Do you mean Squall or Locke?

Much more Squall. Locke, nah.

Hah, that's funny, I actually share several minor things with Squall.
For example, I do actually have a mark on my forehead, although it is more like a small dent from when I ran into a hard object like 30 years ago, and I did use to hang out with a girl a lot at around that age who I then lost contact with, which is somewhat similar to Ellone I guess.
I also used to have a mutual interest in a girl who was somewhat similar to Rinoa - not really in appearance, but more in personality.
The way Rinoa approaches Squall at that ballroom dance is pretty much how that girl would act in that situation.
But in terms of looks she was more similar to the ABBA member Agneta Fältskog when that artist was in her 20s.
I changed the signature again, trollolol.

User Info: Goodgames182

Goodgames182
4 weeks ago#135
Peter_19 posted...
I have never really understood this part about him.
He comes off as really cold and actually kind of rude in several scenes, and even Rinoa gets annoyed with him pretty quickly and explicitly criticises him for it.
Yet he is apparently liked and admired by both the other students and the teachers, and I don't quite get that part.


Squall is simultaneously one of the few people that's willing to train with Seifer (over the top though it might be) and one of the few people he can't intimidate. And he seemed to get on with Raijin and Fujin as well.

And the other students are willing to be acquaintances and casual friends rather than forcing their attentions on him ala Quistis (not to mention they're not his teacher - I can't stress this point enough).

He has the option of helping Selphie (and then joining the festival committee though doesn't exactly get round to doing anything for it) and while its a mission-briefing like explanation (showing his difficulty in chatting) it can show his willingness to try.

He takes to Triple Triad like a fish to water and that's a very social game - Squall's issue isn't with socialisation, it's with talking. Plus of course he's very studious - he goes into the Library 50 times (granted we know that's for Zell's Compatibility Score but they don't). Also on the stuff the NPCs don't know, Squall keeps his disdainful commentary to himself.

His cold attitude towards Rinoa was absolutely deserved - at least in disc 1. Her plans were stupid and he had to follow them. As I recall Zell and Selphie weren't that impressed either.

mr369248 posted...
He's a horrible leader in the second half though.


No argument there - Squall's skill as a commander is lacking considerably. Wait, I take that back - he's a fine commander when he can be bothered. He's not a fine commander while trying to run to Esthar.

Denizen_Of_Dark posted...
Co-signed, but id say cat rather than snake.

Leave a cat alone unless u wanna get scratched. Let it come to u


Or swallowed - Squall is a lion after all.

Fallacia posted...
Aside from apathy and disinterest, the other word people are looking for is aloof. The aloof loner is also a "cool guy" trope in Japanese media when paired with a highly capable character. Although he was slightly more personable in the Japanese translation, he was still supposed to trend more towards apathy and disinterest than anything hard or callous. Basically, Squall is Sasuke, but fueled by abandonment issues instead of vengeance.


Sasuke's an interesting comparison because he's someone the main character took a dislike to that objectively had at that point done nothing to warrant it (unlike practically the entire rest of the townsfolk). Thing is, for all that the MC hated him, everyone else loved him (while not bothering to learn the slightest thing about him at all - unless of course that very awkward conversation in episode 3 [or maybe 2] was supposed to be from the overactive mouth of an informed source).

sano83 posted...
That is a joke.
It is what Rinoa tells Squall before the dancing cinematic. And Squall face is all messed up because it is a PlayStation game.


Squall's face is messed up because Seifer cut it open. That was Rinoa trying in her own way to reassure a guy hiding in the corner that she didn't think he looked horribly disfigured. I'll gladly criticise most things Rinoa did but not that one.

User Info: Goodgames182

Goodgames182
4 weeks ago#136
FutaiNoKiwami posted...
Except rational people WOULD have to go there. I mean, someone has to deliver food and other thing for the school, otherwise they'd never run outta hotdogs if it was all in house.


Have to go to Garden possibly - have to go to the Training Center? No.

MsRenndilya posted...
Zidane is flawed to me. Squall is way smarter. Zidane is also weak managing to lose three times to an enemy. Squall only lost once to Edea. When Garland explains his plans Zidane is so lame that he can't grasp his plans after having explained in three ways. Just because he's an extroverted 'fun'(yeah right) guy doesn't make him a better leader. Squall would have been able to defeat Beatrix and grasped plans faster and knew what to do as a leader better. Zidane should have just stayed an actor and thug as well as immature womanizer playing him as a hero is unpleasant.


That's an unfair comparison - Squall is a trained commando and Zidane's a trained actor. Which one would you expect to be better in a fight?

Holy_Cloud105 posted...
I wouldn't say they came to realize. It's more like they saw through him instantly. Selphie makes a note of it in her diary on the terminal that he puts up a front but he actually cares. I believe it wasn't long after she met him that she put it up too.


And Selphie meets him mere hours before the Dollet mission.

manmouse posted...
My only gripe is less with the game and more with a sect of the fan base. Namely, the people who are like,

“Squall’s my favorite main character from FF, I like that he doesn’t rely on other people and is a lone wolf, like me!”

It’s like, dude, those are the traits that Squall has to grow out of in the plot in order to be a better person and live up to his potential! The narrative itself tells you that he’s foolish for thinking he can just be a solitary loner, and you see that he’s at his best when he trusts others and opens up. But his undeveloped early-game state tends to attract people who have similar maladaptive habits so they can act like they don’t need to work on their attitudes.


It's not even an accurate assessment of Squall's early game persona. He's more than willing to trust in Zell and Selphie in the field.

I think Christopher Ecclestone had a quote about the Doctor that works for early Squall - 'he doesn't do domestic'.

TetsuoS2 posted...
Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I wouldn't say they came to realize. It's more like they saw through him instantly. Selphie makes a note of it in her diary on the terminal that he puts up a front but he actually cares. I believe it wasn't long after she met him that she put it up too.


Because he helps her day 1 when she gets lost in the Garden.


Pretty much this.

User Info: Goodgames182

Goodgames182
4 weeks ago#137
MsRenndilya posted...
Loners don't need to "check" themselves or "improve" themselves by overcoming it. As long as you can take care of yourself and feel satisfied with your current lifestyle loner or social butterfly there is nothing to enable or repair.

It's other peoples problem if they get offended by the aloof loner. They shouldn't pry on their space and impose their lifestyle on them.


Missed this one. Squall doesn't simply choose to be alone - he's forgotten how not to be. That is something that genuinely needs working on.

User Info: tylerghost93

tylerghost93
3 weeks ago#138
1Tekkaman posted...
What really irritates me is too many people think being a loner is the result of some kind of psychological problem.


Yeah....probably because it often does go hand in hand with some sort of severe mental issue. I'm not saying it always does or you or anyone here has problems, but I've definitely met some people who can barely function in society and try to get around it by saying they're loners.

In laypeople terms, a person with schizoid personality disorder might be thought of as the typical “loner.” ... Because of their lack of social skills and lack of desire for sexual experiences, individuals with this disorder have few friendships, date infrequently, and often do not marry.

User Info: Aurora-Silver

Aurora-Silver
3 weeks ago#139
Tbh when I first played FF8, many years back then, I was never really fond of Squall. It wasn't because he was a loner, because I actually did not mind if characters or MCs were rather the loners and acting colder.

But actually I would prefer Zell over him.
In a way, I simply was not fond of Squall : / Though, over the years my mind changed a bit and I seem to like him a little more now.

Though, through Dissidia FF Duodecim it was rather that my fondness for Laguna raised into heights I never had before xD
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User Info: Peter_19

Peter_19
3 weeks ago#140
I was almost exactly like Squall when I was in high school and college about 15 years ago - even in appearance to some degree, apparently - except I wasn't actually rude or anything, I was just really reserved and kind of difficult, except when I was around people that I already knew.
I actually did open up about this in front of some of my classmates after a while, and they said that they thought that I didn't want to hang out with them, and I told them that I was basically very careful when it came to getting to know new people since I was kind of scared of making a bad impression.
They became a lot more relaxed around me after I had told them that.
I changed the signature again, trollolol.
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