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User Info: MsRenndilya

MsRenndilya
4 weeks ago#1
Literally none of the characters seem to have superhuman strength not even Cloud in the original game. I can kinda understand the others not possessing superhuman abilities because besides Vincent and Cloud none of the others are enhanced at all besides with Materia. Which begs to question how the non enhanced party members even survive battles against WEAPONS and Warmechs anyway.. logical fallacy much. Examples of character weakness are abundant in the plot...

Cloud and co easily get restrained by ropes in Shin-Ra HQ, even Cloud can't get out of them. What are they venom dipped razor rope or Mythril chains or heck even Adamantium chains. If so I can kinda understand but even then not so much.

Cloud and co get overpowered by mere restraint robots at Gold Saucer after having literally destroyed military robots made of metal earlier in the game. Does this mean Dio's robots are better than Reactor guard robots like Guard Scorpion hahaha.

Tifa being rope tied again later in the plot as well as Barrett plus not being able to open the air compression sealed door in the same story scene

Lastly, the infamous oxygen tank scene where enhanced warriors like Cloud with body built like SOLDIER 1st class can't pick up 1000+ lbs but he can twirl a 140lbs sword like it's a stick, another insane logical-hole.

With how weak the characters are expressed as being in this game literally as weak as a normal humans even Cloud is showed as such; it's hard to imagine how they managed to survive at all. Without a doubt the weakest crew in FF next to FFV(where the enhanced crystal fighters cant break through jail cells but gun powder can hahaha) and FFX(being afraid of guns and Yuna being unable to do a pull up in FFX-2)

At least in Advent Children the characters actually friggin display some level of powers suitable for planet saving heroes but boy oh boy they're like pathetic children in the original game.
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User Info: DevsBro

DevsBro
4 weeks ago#2
This is video game logic 101 bro. Characters have vastly different power levels between gameplay and cutscene, as the game demands.

It wouldn't be very fun for Ruby to smear you in one blow even at lvl 99, and it wouldn't have set up a cool subplot if they could just free themselves from the tank.
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User Info: MsRenndilya

MsRenndilya
4 weeks ago#3
I appreciate the reply man. However, I'm literally talking about how in the plot(as this is what this topic is all about) not gameplay the characters fight and defeat Airbuster, Guard Scorpion, Proud Clod(military research super weapon,) survive against Diamond Weapon in the plot etc and are weaker than ropes and sealed doors. The logic does not make sense at all.

User Info: loseless

loseless
4 weeks ago#4
It makes no sense under our reality, but games and media have their own rules and rationales. If it makes sense inside the media, then its internally consistent. VII is not even a bad example of such.

Also, redacting text in a thread that already has spoilers in it sort of redundant.

User Info: MsRenndilya

MsRenndilya
4 weeks ago#5
Can you explain how it's logical to be able to defeat city busting machines with melee hand to hand combat but be weaker than a rope or lower level machine. Or how Cloud can cut buildings in half and twirl 140lbs with one hand but not lift 1000lbs with two other people. It just makes no sense.

The only way it would make sense is if the characters were somehow under a weakening drug agent or the ropes where mythril or adamantium.

User Info: 1ofaDragon

1ofaDragon
4 weeks ago#6
The gift of the goddess
Lord of Arcana post-game maniac

User Info: Taterzz

Taterzz
4 weeks ago#7
cause the game has to ignore some realism in order for the player to play and enjoy. tifa suplexing a giant ass creature that probably weighs more than a city is ok because it's a video game. it'd be boring if you spent the entirety of the game just running away from every fight.
You just lost the game.

User Info: Raiu

Raiu
4 weeks ago#8
People have made the Buster Sword in real life, and it doesn't weigh "140 pounds", it weighs a little over half that (80 pounds). "If he can lift 80 pounds easily, why can't he also lift 1000 pounds?" is also a very strange argument.

Basically... given the vast magical powers that the party wields thanks to Materia, why does "saving the world" come down to physical strength? You don't have to be able to bench-press 300 pounds to summon Bahamut Zero or Knights of the Round.
-Raiutaryuu-

User Info: DevsBro

DevsBro
4 weeks ago#9
MsRenndilya posted...
I appreciate the reply man. However, I'm literally talking about how in the plot(as this is what this topic is all about) not gameplay the characters fight and defeat Airbuster, Guard Scorpion, Proud Clod(military research super weapon,) survive against Diamond Weapon in the plot etc and are weaker than ropes and sealed doors. The logic does not make sense at all.

Because all those things are done in gameplay. Even the writing acknowledges the difference and counts on it.

Same as why Solid Snake kicks the boss's butt and then immediately surrenders to said boss just because two mooks were accompanying, why a laser beam bounces of Dante's face in a cutscene when he has nowhere near that defense in gameplay, etc etc.
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User Info: superyoodle

superyoodle
4 weeks ago#10
Nanomachines.
Final fantasy: murdered. Resident evil: mutilated.
Where/when will it end?
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