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User Info: EpsteinBarr

EpsteinBarr
2 months ago#11
OG Cloud is a cool dude.

User Info: Crashrfc

Crashrfc
2 months ago#12
Peter_19 posted...
I think one reason why FF7 got away with the whole cross-dressing part was because it didn't feel forced - Cloud needed to cross-dress in order to be able to sneak into Don's mansion without starting a ruckus, so it wasn't just some random "let's have a cross-dresser in the game whose only purpose is to run around and try to promote cross-dressing" scenario.


It got away with it because it was a different time. Cross-dressing played for comedy wouldn't fly today.

User Info: loseless

loseless
2 months ago#13
Anyway who thinks cross-dressing is a good way of bypassing security to enter some premisses, I got an advice: do not pursue a writing, directing or journalism career.

The developers did that for the lulz. There's no valid reason for it. There were six private guards. Cloud single-handedly beat more Shinra soldiers than that hours before. With Aeris having his back he could have taken them easily. The plan was stupid and dumb.

And before anyone tries to spin this as a rational action in any way, shape or form, minutes before cross-dressing, Cloud goes into a brothel and either gets in a hot tub with half a dozen muscular, naked, 80s porn moustache guys.

No, there's no pretence here. The developers just wanted to do some ridiculous for the laughs. And I shake my head and sigh, but don't try to give me "it was the only thing that made sense" in a sequence where NOTHING made sense.

User Info: Crashrfc

Crashrfc
2 months ago#14
loseless posted...
Anyway who thinks cross-dressing is a good way of bypassing security to enter some premisses, I got an advice: do not pursue a writing, directing or journalism career.


Or take up thievery.

User Info: Peter_19

Peter_19
2 months ago#15
Crashrfc posted...
Peter_19 posted...
I think one reason why FF7 got away with the whole cross-dressing part was because it didn't feel forced - Cloud needed to cross-dress in order to be able to sneak into Don's mansion without starting a ruckus, so it wasn't just some random "let's have a cross-dresser in the game whose only purpose is to run around and try to promote cross-dressing" scenario.


It got away with it because it was a different time. Cross-dressing played for comedy wouldn't fly today.

I don't see any problem with the cross-dressing part in this game.
It's the only thing that Cloud could do if they wanted to remain sneaky.
...OR at least, that's what I think.
(edited 2 months ago)

User Info: loseless

loseless
2 months ago#16
Sure it was. Haven't you ever read all those declassified CIA documents from the cold war that mentioned cross-dressing as basic spy training? Ian Fleming used it all the time in James Bond's books. Mission Impossible also features cross-dressing, as did Jason Bourne.

Heck, if Frodo and Sam had dressed themselves as female hobbits, they could have just walked into Mordor, even without 10 000 men.

User Info: Peter_19

Peter_19
2 months ago#17
loseless posted...
Sure it was. Haven't you ever read all those declassified CIA documents from the cold war that mentioned cross-dressing as basic spy training? Ian Fleming used it all the time in James Bond's books. Mission Impossible also features cross-dressing, as did Jason Bourne.

Heck, if Frodo and Sam had dressed themselves as female hobbits, they could have just walked into Mordor, even without 10 000 men.

In Cloud's situation they would have drawn too much attention to themselves if they tried to barge into Don Corneo's mansion, and Cloud didn't want Aeris to go inside by herself.
The only option was to have Cloud dress like a girl during that part.
...OR at least, that's what I think.

User Info: loseless

loseless
2 months ago#18
But of course it was. I remember when I was a kid at school and borrowed girls' clothes to run home so I could play final fantasy. Guess where I come up with the idea? Had I tried to do that as a boy I would been caught, but no one would guess a girl was trying to run home to play playstation back then.

And people tell you games don't teach any values. Preposterous!

User Info: Peter_19

Peter_19
2 months ago#19
loseless posted...
But of course it was. I remember when I was a kid at school and borrowed girls' clothes to run home so I could play final fantasy. Guess where I come up with the idea? Had I tried to do that as a boy I would been caught, but no one would guess a girl was trying to run home to play playstation back then.

And people tell you games don't teach any values. Preposterous!

Only women were welcome in Don Corneo's mansion.
Cloud was not allowed to get in, since he was a guy, so he needed to disguise himself as a girl.
...OR at least, that's what I think.

User Info: manmouse

manmouse
2 months ago#20
loseless posted...
But of course it was. I remember when I was a kid at school and borrowed girls' clothes to run home so I could play final fantasy. Guess where I come up with the idea? Had I tried to do that as a boy I would been caught, but no one would guess a girl was trying to run home to play playstation back then.

And people tell you games don't teach any values. Preposterous!

You’re completely glazing over the “Trojan horse” element of it. The Don’s mansion was a weird brothel, he regularly brought in women, and brought those women into close isolated quarters with himself. The only men who were allowed near him were his own inner circle.

You keep comparing it to sneaking into anything else and posing that as if it’s ridiculous, but in a Trojan Horse scenario, it’s a matter of disguising as the exact thing your enemy wants or expects.

If they were pulling the same kind of operation to get into, let’s say a military parade and military ship, it would make more sense to dress Cloud and company up as Shinra grunts and sailors (see: Junon). If you’re trying to infiltrate an opera production to intercept a kidnapper, it would make more sense to dress as an opera singer (see: FF6 opera scene). Any of those disguises would make no sense if you wore the disguise for a different scripted scenario, but the scenario that was presented called for that.

Sure it’s oddly specific and unlikely to happen in real life, but so are the majority of the strange scenarios concocted by Squaresoft for these games. Why is this one so off-putting when the others are often far-fetched in their own right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b18HMqJW5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt1-XWiMveY