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User Info: slk_23

slk_23
4 months ago#1
Should they have just stuck with FFVII's Limit Breaks (which are essentially the same thing) instead? - Results (46 votes)
Yes, FFVII's Limit Breaks
60.87% (28 votes)
28
No, FFIX's Trance
39.13% (18 votes)
18
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I'm trying to think of advantages to FFIX's Trance system, and to be honest, I really can't think of any. It's basically a modified version of FFVII's Limit Break system, only it's worse in every way. It's just like how Tetra Master is a modified version of FFVIII's Triple Triad minigame but worse in every way.

With the Trance system, the Trance bar takes too long to fill up. You can't control or save it since it automatically activates when full. Many of them aren't that useful anyway, and this is assuming you even get to use them. Quite often, they fill up at the end of an easy battle and end up being completely wasted. Or maybe you'll get Zidane into Trance when you needed him to use Steal on an enemy, so now you can't steal. It doesn't encourage strategy at all, and is not that useful of a gameplay mechanic. I'm thinking they could have brought back FFVII's Limit Breaks and I wouldn't have complained, but am I the only one?
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User Info: Rimmer_Dall

Rimmer_Dall
4 months ago#2
Gameplay-wise yes. The way trance functions is pretty integral to the story, though.

User Info: X08B

X08B
4 months ago#3
Actually you hit some points about Trance. But still it has some good points that

1. When in Trance, you can deal damage greater than normal (this also applied even in mages), and new movesets (without losing the "Attack" command.

2. There's an interesting moves when a character is in Trance (except Steiner). I find Dagger's Eidolon command AWESOME!

But yeah you're right....It charges slow...Maybe because they trying to balance everything so it won't break the gameplay (I just imagine...)

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DualArms
4 months ago#4
slk_23 posted...
I'm trying to think of advantages to FFIX's Trance system, and to be honest, I really can't think of any. It's basically a modified version of FFVII's Limit Break system, only it's worse in every way. It's just like how Tetra Master is a modified version of FFVIII's Triple Triad minigame but worse in every way.

With the Trance system, the Trance bar takes too long to fill up. You can't control or save it since it automatically activates when full. Many of them aren't that useful anyway, and this is assuming you even get to use them. Quite often, they fill up at the end of an easy battle and end up being completely wasted. Or maybe you'll get Zidane into Trance when you needed him to use Steal on an enemy, so now you can't steal. It doesn't encourage strategy at all, and is not that useful of a gameplay mechanic. I'm thinking they could have brought back FFVII's Limit Breaks and I wouldn't have complained, but am I the only one?


The only one pro I can say about Trance is that entering Trance will remove all of negative effects on a character (except Zombie and Virus). Other than that, I agree with you.

Looking back, I think the gameplay design of Trance was either intentional or a last minute addition. However, I am leaning towards the former, as the gameplay design in this game is different than FFVII and FFVIII, such as lower enemy HP limits and slower paced battle system.

As to the poll, I am undecided as I am okay with either option.
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throva
4 months ago#5
the only problem with limit breaks is how "abusable" they were. Trance was a way to try and fix it, only they nerfed too much. Storing limit breaks (like you can kind of do in VII) is nice, but makes little sense story-wise.

In the end, I would probably say neither. I'd prefer them to make Trance more useful (lasting effects in multiple battles and some kind of map effect like: "Trance in the map with Zidane, higher chance of back attacks. Trance with quina allows you to automatically eat a monster instead of battle, etc" That would encourage you to choose using it in battle or outside). You'd probably need to have a way to choose whether you are using the trance or not, though...
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User Info: Guru_Clef

Guru_Clef
3 months ago#6
Nah, I found trance to be a refreshing change.

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manmouse
3 months ago#7
I love the idea of Trance. Especially with this game coming out in 2000 while many of us in America were knee deep in Toonami’s run on DBZ, it was awesome to have a super transformation.

To fix it, the only thing it would really need is a choice to transform once the bar filled up, so you could save it for the next fight instead of all the wasted Trances.

Maybe, in order to curb the exploitation of this, make the transform command replace the default Attack until you use it, so you can still save it forever if you want, but there’s a bit of incentive to hurry up and use it because like in FF7 you won’t get your regular attack back until you finally trigger the Trance.
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enricocos
3 months ago#8
slk_23 posted...
I'm trying to think of advantages to FFIX's Trance system, and to be honest, I really can't think of any. It's basically a modified version of FFVII's Limit Break system, only it's worse in every way.

Well, it's not worse in every way imo. FF7's limit break is more useful, I agree, but there are 2 things that made me vote NO:
1 - Limit Breaks all pretty much the same thing: just a big damage (with some exceptions), while trance is unique for each character; each character had different benefits from trance, like Zidane gets a new set of skills, Steiner gets more damage for physical attacks, etc.

2 - I like innovation, I like that they tried something something different.
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User Info: 1Tekkaman

1Tekkaman
3 months ago#9
Easily. I love the game, but Trance is very badly designed. Lore-appropriate or not, it is ridiculous that the game can literally force you to waste super attacks on some pathetic mob type if you take a hit at just the wrong moment.
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User Info: goodknife

goodknife
3 months ago#10
it would be perfect if you can store and choose when to trance
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