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User Info: chang3ling

chang3ling
3 weeks ago#21
He didn't travel through time. He cut away time to the moment he wanted; Act 2 literally never happens. Because of the nature of the tockles/timekeeper everyone retains a fragment of their memories, a la déjá vu.
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User Info: RealTides

RealTides
3 weeks ago#22
chang3ling posted...
He didn't travel through time. He cut away time to the moment he wanted; Act 2 literally never happens. Because of the nature of the tockles/timekeeper everyone retains a fragment of their memories, a la déjá vu.


so by allowing serenica to go back in time, did the hero allow her to erase everyone?
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User Info: chang3ling

chang3ling
3 weeks ago#23
RealTides posted...
chang3ling posted...
He didn't travel through time. He cut away time to the moment he wanted; Act 2 literally never happens. Because of the nature of the tockles/timekeeper everyone retains a fragment of their memories, a la déjá vu.


so by allowing serenica to go back in time, did the hero allow her to erase everyone?

This is the worst-explained part of the story and the reason why people argue there are 3 timelines. But the creator has stated there is only 1 timeline, which means that somehow sending Serenica back didn't f*** up the rest of history.
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User Info: JesseH21

JesseH21
3 weeks ago#24
chang3ling posted...
This is the worst-explained part of the story and the reason why people argue there are 3 timelines. But the creator has stated there is only 1 timeline, which means that somehow sending Serenica back didn't f*** up the rest of history.
Aside from the fact she went back to save erdwin, not stop calasmos.

User Info: RealTides

RealTides
3 weeks ago#25
JesseH21 posted...
chang3ling posted...
This is the worst-explained part of the story and the reason why people argue there are 3 timelines. But the creator has stated there is only 1 timeline, which means that somehow sending Serenica back didn't f*** up the rest of history.
Aside from the fact she went back to save erdwin, not stop calasmos.


except that erdwin dies right before he kills calasmos

also if he erdwin die, then mordegon wouldn't have been created

furthermore the very last final scene shows a purple haired woman which strongly suggests that it's serenica, having a happy ending with erdwin since it's right after the scene where they reunite but everyone denies that it's her because they say that the kid is the hero from dq3
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User Info: JesseH21

JesseH21
3 weeks ago#26
RealTides posted...
everyone denies that it's her because they say that the kid is the hero from dq3
It's litterally the opening sequence to dq3. They just did it in 3D for the ending.

And there are still ways for serenica to save erdwin without messing the timeline up. Morcant could have still attacked erdwin, but serenica could have interfered enough for the blow to not be fatal, morcant escapes while serenica is tending to erdwin. This would have given calasmos enough time to split his soul from his body meaning erdwin couldn't kill him permanently. Thus forcing the heros to seal him away still, time passes and then DQ xi starts.

Just because she does back doesn't mean it automatically negates the game. As Eleven would not have been able to take the super sword of light back to yggdrasil if the conditions for him to exist there changed the moment she broke it.
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User Info: Pyrodeyx_293

Pyrodeyx_293
3 weeks ago#27
Didn't Serenica say that she wanted to see Erdwin one more time?
Because she literally did just that and nothing more. That's the simple answer.

The long answer is that Serenica went back in time but she didn't affect the outcome. We saw the Sword of Light falling to the ground after Serenica broke the Sandball without the sword s***tering as well as everyone existing. My guess is that all of the events did take place and instead of Erdwin getting killed, he got mortally wounded. Serenica remembered the place of his death and was prepared to go and heal him. Mordegon still exists and Calasmos escaped which leads to them sealing its body again. Also, RIP Drustan.

Also, you have to look at it from a person's perspective too instead of looking at facts. For example, do you think that Serenica is a cruel person? I mean, why would she try to erase someone after all they did for her just to see Erdwin again?
Given her personality, there's no way Serenica would do that.

JesseH21 posted...
It's litterally the opening sequence to dq3. They just did it in 3D for the ending.

And there are still ways for serenica to save erdwin without messing the timeline up. Morcant could have still attacked erdwin, but serenica could have interfered enough for the blow to not be fatal, morcant escapes while serenica is tending to erdwin. This would have given calasmos enough time to split his soul from his body meaning erdwin couldn't kill him permanently. Thus forcing the heros to seal him away still, time passes and then DQ xi starts.

Just because she does back doesn't mean it automatically negates the game. As Eleven would not have been able to take the super sword of light back to yggdrasil if the conditions for him to exist there changed the moment she broke it.
This too. I like to think of it as Back to the Future II where there is a major influence and a minor influence on the timeline. There is:
  • A major influence which would be Biff becoming a millionaire. Biff obtains a magazine that helps him win the races. He becomes rich and corrupts the city which affects a major portion of the people leading to deaths. The main characters and their family are also affected too by the outcome.
  • A minor influence would be McFly taking back the magazine from Biff. He reverts the timeline back to normal without any major changes except for Biff hating manure even more. So it only influenced a small portion of the people which doesn't affect the timeline in a major way.


So if we compare it to DQ11:
  • A major influence would be the Hero getting shot down by Jasper which allowed Mordegon to take the Sword of Light, corrupt it and take over the world. Killing millions of people. The Hero went back in time to stop that point in time where all things went wrong.
  • A minor influence would be like Serenica going back in time. The Sword of Light is there which means that it still exists and the cast is alive. Serenica probably went back in time just to "see Erdwin one more time" like she said. That said, she probably did save Erdwin but still couldn't stop Calasmos.
Even in the ending which was after when Serenica went back in time, Yggdragon mentioned that the Hero has successfully stopped Calasmos where Erdwin failed to do so. Basically, Erdwin f***ed up either way.

Granted, Act 3 wasn't explained properly and it should have more lore behind it but it's still enough to figure out the conclusions. I still liked Act 2 more because of the character development but it is what it is, I guess.
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User Info: RealTides

RealTides
3 weeks ago#29
i honestly doubt she just went back to see him and then say buh-bye

not to mention that he gave her the mark of the luminary and she still had it when she went back

if she just wanted to see him and leave him, she wouldn't have caught up with erdwin.

like people have said, the ending is confusing and bad, alot of things are left up to assumptions and doesn't make sense because the events that caused erdwin's death lead up to the events of dq11. therefore saving erdwin would have consequences that nobody can think of in dq11 timeline.
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