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User Info: Kohlrak

Kohlrak
5 days ago#121
cannonball_java posted...
copenhagenLongC posted...
oooh Im QUITE familiar with the frankfurt school marxist f***s and how they infiltrated and ruined academia, and from there, most businesses.
Yeah, you really cracked the code there. Marxists infiltrated *checks notes* ...big business? In what world would the biggest beneficiaries of capitalism use their power to secretly push Marxism? The fact that people have somehow made a group of critical theorists into a giant scary conspiracy is baffling to me.


Corporations are anti-capitalist in nature.
Kohlrak posted...
Corporations are anti-capitalist in nature.
You're going to have to explain that one, because you're definitely operating on a non-standard definition of capitalism if that's what you believe. Corporations are privately owned entities that exist to accrue capital. The means of production are privately owned. That's textbook capitalism.
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Kohlrak
5 days ago#123
cannonball_java posted...
Kohlrak posted...
Corporations are anti-capitalist in nature.
You're going to have to explain that one, because you're definitely operating on a non-standard definition of capitalism if that's what you believe. Corporations are privately owned entities that exist to accrue capital. The means of production are privately owned. That's textbook capitalism.


Actually, that's not correct. Corporations are mini-governments in their own right. If i start a business in traditional capitalism, and own it, i'm the boss, and the private owner. With a corporation, i start a business using someone else's money (shares), with the agreement that i'm perpetually in debt to them, they also have the right to take the company and give it to someone else via votes (between those who own my debt). Now, given how difficult it is to start a business, anymore, it's almost necesary to do things the corporate way. Sure, private citizens are on that board, but it's now a government, and the chief executive (the president of the company, as we call them), is no longer beholden directly to the people, but the board of directors. Imagine if congress (like a board of directors) could appoint and fire the president at will. That is a corporation, except there is no surpreme court. Tell me how 3rd party owners of the company is pure capitalism.

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Pinochet89
5 days ago#124
He basically said that this game is showing what divisions cause to other people. As for Kojima using Trump and Brexit as examples, I believe it's because of deep political division in both countries and how that only makes people drift away from others, destroying friendships and families.
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User Info: Kohlrak

Kohlrak
5 days ago#125
Pinochet89 posted...
He basically said that this game is showing what divisions cause to other people. As for Kojima using Trump and Brexir as examples, I believe it's because of deep political division in both countries and how that only makes people drift away from others, destroying friendships and families.


Warning, spoilers: The government outright hides the president's death early on in the game, because they know what's best for the people rather than letting themselves know. Bridges is also force recruited to do her dirty work, like some kind of destiny thing. It's not even his choice. The "good guys" straight up force this on him. He has to do what big brother tells him to do.
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Pinochet89
5 days ago#126
Waldie1877 posted...
Kohlrak posted...
copenhagenLongC posted...
Waldie1877 posted...
I do recall cringing a bit when he had Big Boss and Kaz gush about how great Che was in Peace Walker.

Kohlrak posted...

I think if you abandoned any state-based safety nets, you could totally open your borders. The problem is, human beings in a welfare state are like yeast in grape juice.


Yeah, probably, or you could just not have open borders and look after your own people, instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Agreed COMPLETELY man, COMPLETELY.

Also yeah I think everyone whose right in the head and is AT LEAST knowledgeable about the general course of events of communism and esp che guevera and fidel castro and friends and their horrible appallingly ruthless and EVIL tale, I think all of us who know the guys history almost threw up when that s*** started happening in peace walker...it almost killed the game for me, hell, I think IT DID. Kojima hates America, just like his hollywood friends who also hate America. And I think people are SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATING the MALICE of the hard left. Many of them know full well the consequences(total destruction of America and also a genocide of MY/OUR PEOPLE) of "open borders"(but only for WESTERN countries and America in particular, as what they say) but they lie, they lie with a smirk on their face saying the opposite to deceive fools into voting for them. They lost smart people a while ago, they must now rely only on fools and people with a vested interest in voting for them; since the actual American people will never vote for the democrat party again, not ever again.


I don't think Kojima's hard left, though. His themes are too inconsistent with themselves to really be anything more than some heavy rose tint in those sunglasses of his.


I never got the impression of him being particularly lefty or a globalist type until fairly recently. Most of the politics seemed pretty reasonable, to most people i imagine. War bad, for example.

In PP, if i recall correctly, he had Code Talker basically brand America's "melting pot" as a failure because despite living in the same country and cities, people tended to stick with their own ethnic communities. I always took that as a scathing, and imo, realistic attack of multiculturism, and even to some extent, multiracialism.

Then there's the whole "anti-american" theme, which i think is fair to point out, but i've always been fine with it because i took it as a specific criticism of America's hawkish foreign policy, the military industrial complex etc. Now I don't know what Kojima does or doesn't know. He probably doesn't realise, but really, as far as i'm concerned, it's not so much an attack of America, as it is an attack of some "americans". You know, those "americans" whose loyalties lie with a certain middle eastern country and push for wars on it's behalf.

Anyway, he still seems like a good dude to me that's gone off the rails a bit. Hopefully he stops hanging about with so many silicon valley types.


He posted a photo of Che Guevara... I think that's enough about him and his "ideals".

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Mugendramon
5 days ago#127
copenhagenLongC posted...
Moreover the che stuff without mentioning a SINGLE FACT about that MONSTER of a man(he belongs among a list of serial killers not a list of "heroes" Peace Walker is where I first started harboring real HARD suspicions regarding Kojima and his politics and his motivation regarding these games from that point forwarrd. I mean, in Peace Walker it had you shooting US Marines for christs sake(the excuse was something like: "They are now a PMC" or something else thats dumb) alongside all the weirdo propaganda with the mass murderer worship...ugh. then we got to MGSV both ground zeroes but ESPECIALLY the atrociousness that is TPP and its "story"/main missions...TPP has the exact opposite problem DS seems to have, in that it has excellent gameplay but a non existent story(but kojimas nonsense insane politics are STILL shoved into the game in various ways, comical ways in many cases though I dont think he intended some of the scenes to be comical where it expresses his own personal stupid politics lol)

I am an American, and I have my own politics and my own mind, and so I am everything Kojima hates in one Man; so even though I own every single MGS game and bought them ALL on release day, this game is NOT for me it seems(I even have ZOE 1 and 2) from all accounts I have read and the 2 hours of gameplay footage Ive seen, not to mention trailers and so on. The last thing I wanna play as is some whiny ass marxist mailman named norman fetus spewing about how great some other communist-state mass murderer that kojima thinks is "a misrepresented hero"(maybe we'll get Fidel Castro as the next target of kojimas stroking? Or maybe Chairman Mao. Pol Pot perhaps? Jeffrey Dahmers? This is why Im just not interested). Kojima went NUTS when he got involved with all these hollywood people. Just CRAZY. And has a TOTAL misrepresentation of Americans in general, as you can all see with his hatred of us.


Hollywood is rightly seen as a major global beacon of wokeness; indeed, given Kojima's origins from a currently less woke part of the world together with his affinity for everything Hollywood, someone could be easily forgiven for thinking that Hollywood might've been one of the key causes for his more... radical inclinations as of late.

And although Hollywood almost certainly did play a major role in those regards, I'm afraid that there is indeed more to this story, that has been evolving (or perhaps showing it's truer face) over time...

Believe it or not but comrade Kojima actually believes that Hollywood is not radical enough!

With Ground Zeroes [Kojima] escalated the stakes by taking aim at North America’s contemporary policies towards terror suspects. “In the past the US was the centre of the world, where everything was happening,” he says. “I think my stories have always sought to question this, maybe even criticise it. But the situation is changing. America is not seen as the centre of the world any more. So the focus of my stories is shifting alongside with that change in the real world.”

It’s a diplomatic answer, but Ground Zeroes is not an especially diplomatic video game. Its incarcerated terror suspects kneel in wire cages, bound at the hands and feet with blinding sacks over their heads. As you hoist them on to Snake’s shoulder and sprint to the evacuation helicopter, some break down in tears either through fear or relief. It’s grimly political. “[Guantanamo] was definitely something that I made decision to address in the game,” Kojima says. “Hollywood continues to present the US army as being the good guys, always defeating the aliens or foreigners. I am trying to shift that focus. These movies might not be the only way to view current affairs. I am trying to present an alternate view in these games.

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Most likely there was a political predisposition...
Kohlrak posted...
Pinochet89 posted...
He basically said that this game is showing what divisions cause to other people. As for Kojima using Trump and Brexir as examples, I believe it's because of deep political division in both countries and how that only makes people drift away from others, destroying friendships and families.


Warning, spoilers: The government outright hides the president's death early on in the game, because they know what's best for the people rather than letting themselves know. Bridges is also force recruited to do her dirty work, like some kind of destiny thing. It's not even his choice. The "good guys" straight up force this on him. He has to do what big brother tells him to do.

oh my God this is looking like more and more of a nightmare every day. Does "the president" happen to resemble hillary clinton, by "random chance"(lol)?

Edit: and indeed WELL SAID Mugen an thanks for showing that to me; its harden my resolve about kojima. I had never seen that before. Suddenly its all coming together eh? I agree that he was filled from antiAmerican hatred for a very long time; perhaps even since MGS1 though it was HEAVILY subdued and so was it in all the games from MGS1 to MGS4...and then came Peace Walker lol...and the ones after that...yeah then his career was over as far as Im concerned. Cause I did give him a chance, many chances, buying Peace Walker, and Ground Zeroes, and TPP. Yeah I would LOVE to see a Kojima game about the horrors of the Japanese occupation of say, China; or the other territories in Asia that Japan attempted to Colonize(and sometimes even succeeded in doing). Thus I find it comical that he attacks us and OUR PEOPLE over someone HIS OWN PEOPLE have done and not in the distant past IN THE RECENT PAST lol. Its like a guy who isnt aware that hes the butt of his own joke; or that what he is saying about someone else applies even moreso to HIMSELF. Thats what Kojima is...and I agree that hollywood DEEPENED this antiAmerican hatred to a great extent made him far more radical and unpleasant a person, and worse, gave him "justification" for his hatred of Americans(because those hollyweird actors are TECHNICALLY American citizens even if they hate all Americans and everything about this country and all it stands for and are not seen as true Americans by most of us here). Dude started living in an echo chamber i suspect beginning with TPP.
Hell has open borders.
Heaven has a wall, a gate and a strict immigration policy.
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Kohlrak
5 days ago#129
copenhagenLongC posted...
Kohlrak posted...
Pinochet89 posted...
He basically said that this game is showing what divisions cause to other people. As for Kojima using Trump and Brexir as examples, I believe it's because of deep political division in both countries and how that only makes people drift away from others, destroying friendships and families.


Warning, spoilers: The government outright hides the president's death early on in the game, because they know what's best for the people rather than letting themselves know. Bridges is also force recruited to do her dirty work, like some kind of destiny thing. It's not even his choice. The "good guys" straight up force this on him. He has to do what big brother tells him to do.

oh my God this is looking like more and more of a nightmare every day. Does "the president" happen to resemble hillary clinton, by "random chance"(lol)?


From an angle, yes, but it doesn't appear to be on purpose, as it's a much older and wrinkly Clinton-looking character, and only from that odd angle.

But, hey, for those thinking nothing about Metal Gear is present: "More importantly, someone has to carry on her legacy and see our country rebuilt."

And a woman who doesn't age is appointed president without a vote.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

I see a much, much bigger plot unfolding, but i can't finger it until it fleshes itself out, just incase i'm wrong.

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Kohlrak
5 days ago#130
ROFL

Sam actually, straight up calls the SJW s*** out, only to be immediately "corrected." Yes, they are "just another cult." Those who are actually playing and might read back on this, please tell me you caught that. "These are not shackles, they're symbols of our bond." Just stop.

Main enemy camp is called edgelord--er Edgeknot.
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