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User Info: ienzo105

ienzo105
1 month ago#11
Zero possibility.

Only one Mr. X was in Raccoon City chasing both Leon and Claire. That same Mr. X arrived a day after Nemesis was in RCPD chasing Jill. When Mr. X arrived Nemesis was on the other side of town. They were not in RCPD. Raccoon City is huge.

They never met up, and I'm glad they didn't. Leave that s*** to fanfiction.
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User Info: Syn_Vengeance

Syn_Vengeance
1 month ago#12
@Alxyjuno posted...
Stover46 posted...
The Hunk one might not be canon. Could just be gameplay/story segregation.
Hunk escapes the RPD right before the bombs fall, after fighting through Umbrella creatures. It doesn't necessarily mean that everything that happens in his gameplay is what actually happened in lore.


Really? I always thought Hunk's arc was mostly canonical, give or take stuff like
..Umbrella Corps...lol

Kalderus posted...
Syn_Vengeance posted...

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.


Which means lore-wise, if Hunk did run into Mr. X, there had to have been multiple Mr. X's/T-103's wandering around near the police station-orphanage-sewer areas since by the time Hunk was escaping through the PD, Leon had already blown up the one chasing him earlier.

I know people will claim there was only 1 Mr. X around the RPD, and the rest were all deployed to the dead factory, but it just doesn't make sense that way. Although even Capcom themselves have claimed that there is only one tyrant and that its mutually exclusive deaths either from being eviscerated by Birkin in the elevator, or being blown up by Leon's RL are in parallel/alternate universes/timelines, logic-wise there had to have been at least 4 tyrants in and around the RPD for any coherent story to make sense.

T-103 A: Chases Leon in the RPD. Crushed by Ada with a SWAT van then blown up with C-4

(Note*: This can't also be the same one that later appears in the lab, since its limiter trench coat is completely intact and undamaged, which would be impossible if it had just survived an explosion. All it takes is a few flames in NEST to destroy/irreparably damage the trench coat on that one, far less than a truck full of plastic explosives)

T-103 B: Chases Claire in the RPD. Cut in half by Birkin at the orphanage underground elevator

T-103 C: Appears in NEST chasing Leon after collecting the Lvl III security card. Becomes the super tyrant, then gets blown with the rocket launcher

T-103 D: Deployed much later, and chases Hunk during his escape through the RPD. Fate unknown, but ultimately nuked along with the city.

Even if you argue that T-103 A through C are all the same tyrant, due to Leon and Claire's scenarios occurring in mutually exclusive timelines, and C simply being A that survived the C-4, T-103 D still has to be separate, unless Hunk never encountered Mr. X canonically, or if we make the ludicrous claim that the tyrant survived either being cut in half or exploded from the hips up.


Exactly, there's just too much parallel timelines going on and I wish there was some sort of definitive and/or authoritative timeline of the entirety of events within Raccoon City timeline...


Claire A/Leon B from the original is canon, the scenarios in the remake technically arent. Again, there were 6 T-103s sent into Raccoon City. 1 was dropped on the RPD to kill any surviving cops and to find the G-Virus since Umbrella lost contact with Hunk and assumed he failed. The other 5 were dropped into the dead factory to deal with the US military presence there. You can see the corpses of the tyrants and the military when you get there with Jill. You can clearly count 5 tyrants in the room, the helicopter in RE2 had 6 containers and only dropped 1 on the RPD, hence the other 5 going to the dead factory.

Since REmake 2 messed up the story and the campaigns arent connected to each other, it seems confusing and that there are multiple tyrants but there arent. The campaigns are parallel universes where we dont actually get to see what the other character was doing after playing as the other. Therefore to avoid confusion and this entire discussion, just use the OG RE2 and the story makes sense.
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User Info: Syn_Vengeance

Syn_Vengeance
1 month ago#13
Alxyjuno posted...
Stover46 posted...
The Hunk one might not be canon. Could just be gameplay/story segregation.
Hunk escapes the RPD right before the bombs fall, after fighting through Umbrella creatures. It doesn't necessarily mean that everything that happens in his gameplay is what actually happened in lore.


Really? I always thought Hunk's arc was mostly canonical, give or take stuff like
..Umbrella Corps...lol

Kalderus posted...
Syn_Vengeance posted...

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.


Which means lore-wise, if Hunk did run into Mr. X, there had to have been multiple Mr. X's/T-103's wandering around near the police station-orphanage-sewer areas since by the time Hunk was escaping through the PD, Leon had already blown up the one chasing him earlier.

I know people will claim there was only 1 Mr. X around the RPD, and the rest were all deployed to the dead factory, but it just doesn't make sense that way. Although even Capcom themselves have claimed that there is only one tyrant and that its mutually exclusive deaths either from being eviscerated by Birkin in the elevator, or being blown up by Leon's RL are in parallel/alternate universes/timelines, logic-wise there had to have been at least 4 tyrants in and around the RPD for any coherent story to make sense.

T-103 A: Chases Leon in the RPD. Crushed by Ada with a SWAT van then blown up with C-4

(Note*: This can't also be the same one that later appears in the lab, since its limiter trench coat is completely intact and undamaged, which would be impossible if it had just survived an explosion. All it takes is a few flames in NEST to destroy/irreparably damage the trench coat on that one, far less than a truck full of plastic explosives)

T-103 B: Chases Claire in the RPD. Cut in half by Birkin at the orphanage underground elevator

T-103 C: Appears in NEST chasing Leon after collecting the Lvl III security card. Becomes the super tyrant, then gets blown with the rocket launcher

T-103 D: Deployed much later, and chases Hunk during his escape through the RPD. Fate unknown, but ultimately nuked along with the city.

Even if you argue that T-103 A through C are all the same tyrant, due to Leon and Claire's scenarios occurring in mutually exclusive timelines, and C simply being A that survived the C-4, T-103 D still has to be separate, unless Hunk never encountered Mr. X canonically, or if we make the ludicrous claim that the tyrant survived either being cut in half or exploded from the hips up.


Exactly, there's just too much parallel timelines going on and I wish there was some sort of definitive and/or authoritative timeline of the entirety of events within Raccoon City timeline...


Hunk getting the G-Virus and escaping the city is canon, what he faces enemy wise in gameplay is not. Again, they just reused all the enemy’s in the game and added a bunch of them cause they wanted 4Th Survivor to be challenging.
This is war... Survival is your responsibility..

User Info: Fiz57

Fiz57
1 month ago#14
Hunk escaped Raccoon City at the last day when the nuke drop onto the city, the same day as Jill made her escape. In the original RE3, Jill encounter unconscious Marvin probably indicate Leon/Claire haven't enter the police station yet by the time Jill escape from the police station.

Beside, the remake has no proper scenario B like the original to see the other character story behind the scene. Plus the true ending doesn't seem going to happen RE3 epilogue like Leon convinced Claire to leave them so she could find her brother leading to Rockfort Island incident while Leon stay behind to dealt with the government which made him later into a special agent and Sherry being under a protection program before she became an agent herself.

If Nemesis met with Mr. X, they probably gave a high-five to each other and tag team while the Umbrella staff made a bet which one of them killed their target first.
Cardboard boxes are amazing. You could use it to sneak around. Drop on someone to stun them. Heck if you aren't satisfy with ramming, try a tank through co-op.

User Info: SteelDragon2050

SteelDragon2050
1 month ago#15
Given they're programmed, like machines, they'd likely ignore each other and carry on with their respective missions.

User Info: Kalderus

Kalderus
1 month ago#16
Non-canon crazy spinoff idea: STARS members capture a T-103 and reprogram it to fight B.O.W.'s, then it encounters Nemesis.

#Tyrantbowl

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User Info: MrWayne

MrWayne
1 month ago#17
Prime canonical timeline is thus:

Sep 23rd - Hunks mission. Biohazard occurs.
Sep 28th - RE3 part 1.
Sep 29th - just after midnight. Jill infected.
Sep 29th -Night. Leon and Claire arrive. Six T-103s deployed into Raccoon. One at the RPD and five sent to Dead Factory.
Sep 30th - Morning. Leon and Claire escape. A few hours later Hunk escapes.
Oct 1st - Just after midnight. RE3 Part 2.
Oct 1st - Dawn. Jill escapes.

Only six Tyrants in total. Five wiped out at Dead Factory. RE2 canon is not Claire A/Leon B but a mix if all four scenarios. Uses major key story events from CA/LB, but many elements from LA/CB also canon.

User Info: Alxyjuno

Alxyjuno
1 month ago#18
MrWayne posted...
Prime canonical timeline is thus:

Sep 23rd - Hunks mission. Biohazard occurs.
Sep 28th - RE3 part 1.
Sep 29th - just after midnight. Jill infected.
Sep 29th -Night. Leon and Claire arrive. Six T-103s deployed into Raccoon. One at the RPD and five sent to Dead Factory.
Sep 30th - Morning. Leon and Claire escape. A few hours later Hunk escapes.
Oct 1st - Just after midnight. RE3 Part 2.
Oct 1st - Dawn. Jill escapes.

Only six Tyrants in total. Five wiped out at Dead Factory. RE2 canon is not Claire A/Leon B but a mix if all four scenarios. Uses major key story events from CA/LB, but many elements from LA/CB also canon.


Thanks.

Do we know how/why Hunk is almost underground (literally) for a week before extraction? I always found that wierd, like he was just out for a week and nobody found him?
...but some things will remain distant dreams forever.

User Info: Fiz57

Fiz57
1 month ago#19
Alxyjuno posted...
MrWayne posted...
Prime canonical timeline is thus:

Sep 23rd - Hunks mission. Biohazard occurs.
Sep 28th - RE3 part 1.
Sep 29th - just after midnight. Jill infected.
Sep 29th -Night. Leon and Claire arrive. Six T-103s deployed into Raccoon. One at the RPD and five sent to Dead Factory.
Sep 30th - Morning. Leon and Claire escape. A few hours later Hunk escapes.
Oct 1st - Just after midnight. RE3 Part 2.
Oct 1st - Dawn. Jill escapes.

Only six Tyrants in total. Five wiped out at Dead Factory. RE2 canon is not Claire A/Leon B but a mix if all four scenarios. Uses major key story events from CA/LB, but many elements from LA/CB also canon.


Thanks.

Do we know how/why Hunk is almost underground (literally) for a week before extraction? I always found that wierd, like he was just out for a week and nobody found him?


I think he was knock unconscious and need to mend himself after being chase by G who probably thought he killed him.

Hunk probably wait for a extraction time set up by Umbrella beforehand, just in case if the team fail to reach the original extract point on time. It might also Hunk had no way to communicate them or Umbrella want to cut loose any connection which led to William become G and created the Raccoon City incident until they learnt Hunk had the G virus vial with him so extracting him became important before the city got wiped out.
Cardboard boxes are amazing. You could use it to sneak around. Drop on someone to stun them. Heck if you aren't satisfy with ramming, try a tank through co-op.

User Info: MrWayne

MrWayne
1 month ago#20
Theres no explanation and its something I really hoped Remake 2 would fix.

However, Hunk isnt unconscious for a whole week. He was possibily immobised during his initial encounter with Birkin and he probably also spent several days lying low. He also could have ventured back to the lab to try and retrieve another G sample. We know for certain he was active in and around the lab area the same time as Leon and Claire as he recovered the G-sample Leon took off Ada and threw away. He doesnt call for extraction until he has achieved his objective.
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