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User Info: Alxyjuno

Alxyjuno
4 weeks ago#1
I feel like the lore theorists or die-hard fans would be able to say why or why not, based on things like in-game timelines or potentially expanded canon like the manga, comics and or novelization, etc.

If RE3 happens during, before and after RE2, can we assume that Nemmy had at least a chance of running into Mr X.?

IIRC Mr. X was dropped to secure the virus sample, but in the original, we see a cutscene of him being dropped from a helicopter when Leon/Claire are in the RPD. So would that make Hunk's extraction during Leon/Claire's escape?

But if Hunk AFAIK completed his mission earlier, wouldn't that give chance that both X and Nemmy could of crossed paths? Also what would happen?
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User Info: Syn_Vengeance

Syn_Vengeance
4 weeks ago#2
Alxyjuno posted...
I feel like the lore theorists or die-hard fans would be able to say why or why not, based on things like in-game timelines or potentially expanded canon like the manga, comics and or novelization, etc.

If RE3 happens during, before and after RE2, can we assume that Nemmy had at least a chance of running into Mr X.?

IIRC Mr. X was dropped to secure the virus sample, but in the original, we see a cutscene of him being dropped from a helicopter when Leon/Claire are in the RPD. So would that make Hunk's extraction during Leon/Claire's escape?

But if Hunk AFAIK completed his mission earlier, wouldn't that give chance that both X and Nemmy could of crossed paths? Also what would happen?


Mr.X doesnt arrive in Raccoon City until Nemesis is on the other side of town. RE2 starts while Jill is knocked out in the Clock Tower and Nemesis is also in that area.

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.
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User Info: Kalderus

Kalderus
4 weeks ago#3
Syn_Vengeance posted...

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.


Which means lore-wise, if Hunk did run into Mr. X, there had to have been multiple Mr. X's/T-103's wandering around near the police station-orphanage-sewer areas since by the time Hunk was escaping through the PD, Leon had already blown up the one chasing him earlier.

I know people will claim there was only 1 Mr. X around the RPD, and the rest were all deployed to the dead factory, but it just doesn't make sense that way. Although even Capcom themselves have claimed that there is only one tyrant and that its mutually exclusive deaths either from being eviscerated by Birkin in the elevator, or being blown up by Leon's RL are in parallel/alternate universes/timelines, logic-wise there had to have been at least 4 tyrants in and around the RPD for any coherent story to make sense.

T-103 A: Chases Leon in the RPD. Crushed by Ada with a SWAT van then blown up with C-4

(Note*: This can't also be the same one that later appears in the lab, since its limiter trench coat is completely intact and undamaged, which would be impossible if it had just survived an explosion. All it takes is a few flames in NEST to destroy/irreparably damage the trench coat on that one, far less than a truck full of plastic explosives)

T-103 B: Chases Claire in the RPD. Cut in half by Birkin at the orphanage underground elevator

T-103 C: Appears in NEST chasing Leon after collecting the Lvl III security card. Becomes the super tyrant, then gets blown with the rocket launcher

T-103 D: Deployed much later, and chases Hunk during his escape through the RPD. Fate unknown, but ultimately nuked along with the city.

Even if you argue that T-103 A through C are all the same tyrant, due to Leon and Claire's scenarios occurring in mutually exclusive timelines, and C simply being A that survived the C-4, T-103 D still has to be separate, unless Hunk never encountered Mr. X canonically, or if we make the ludicrous claim that the tyrant survived either being cut in half or exploded from the hips up.
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User Info: Stover46

Stover46
4 weeks ago#4
The Hunk one might not be canon. Could just be gameplay/story segregation.
Hunk escapes the RPD right before the bombs fall, after fighting through Umbrella creatures. It doesn't necessarily mean that everything that happens in his gameplay is what actually happened in lore.
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Sir_Haxor
4 weeks ago#5
Kalderus posted...
Syn_Vengeance posted...

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.


Which means lore-wise, if Hunk did run into Mr. X, there had to have been multiple Mr. X's/T-103's wandering around near the police station-orphanage-sewer areas since by the time Hunk was escaping through the PD, Leon had already blown up the one chasing him earlier.

I know people will claim there was only 1 Mr. X around the RPD, and the rest were all deployed to the dead factory, but it just doesn't make sense that way. Although even Capcom themselves have claimed that there is only one tyrant and that its mutually exclusive deaths either from being eviscerated by Birkin in the elevator, or being blown up by Leon's RL are in parallel/alternate universes/timelines, logic-wise there had to have been at least 4 tyrants in and around the RPD for any coherent story to make sense.

T-103 A: Chases Leon in the RPD. Crushed by Ada with a SWAT van then blown up with C-4

(Note*: This can't also be the same one that later appears in the lab, since its limiter trench coat is completely intact and undamaged, which would be impossible if it had just survived an explosion. All it takes is a few flames in NEST to destroy/irreparably damage the trench coat on that one, far less than a truck full of plastic explosives)

T-103 B: Chases Claire in the RPD. Cut in half by Birkin at the orphanage underground elevator

T-103 C: Appears in NEST chasing Leon after collecting the Lvl III security card. Becomes the super tyrant, then gets blown with the rocket launcher

T-103 D: Deployed much later, and chases Hunk during his escape through the RPD. Fate unknown, but ultimately nuked along with the city.

Even if you argue that T-103 A through C are all the same tyrant, due to Leon and Claire's scenarios occurring in mutually exclusive timelines, and C simply being A that survived the C-4, T-103 D still has to be separate, unless Hunk never encountered Mr. X canonically, or if we make the ludicrous claim that the tyrant survived either being cut in half or exploded from the hips up.


I don't think the enemies Hunk encounters are actually set canon, as it makes no sense for Ivys to be in the RPD at that point since the lab was destroyed. Them being there in the first place doesn't even make sense unless they traveled all the way from underground somehow.
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User Info: Syn_Vengeance

Syn_Vengeance
4 weeks ago#6
Kalderus posted...
Syn_Vengeance posted...

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.


Which means lore-wise, if Hunk did run into Mr. X, there had to have been multiple Mr. X's/T-103's wandering around near the police station-orphanage-sewer areas since by the time Hunk was escaping through the PD, Leon had already blown up the one chasing him earlier.

I know people will claim there was only 1 Mr. X around the RPD, and the rest were all deployed to the dead factory, but it just doesn't make sense that way. Although even Capcom themselves have claimed that there is only one tyrant and that its mutually exclusive deaths either from being eviscerated by Birkin in the elevator, or being blown up by Leon's RL are in parallel/alternate universes/timelines, logic-wise there had to have been at least 4 tyrants in and around the RPD for any coherent story to make sense.

T-103 A: Chases Leon in the RPD. Crushed by Ada with a SWAT van then blown up with C-4

(Note*: This can't also be the same one that later appears in the lab, since its limiter trench coat is completely intact and undamaged, which would be impossible if it had just survived an explosion. All it takes is a few flames in NEST to destroy/irreparably damage the trench coat on that one, far less than a truck full of plastic explosives)

T-103 B: Chases Claire in the RPD. Cut in half by Birkin at the orphanage underground elevator

T-103 C: Appears in NEST chasing Leon after collecting the Lvl III security card. Becomes the super tyrant, then gets blown with the rocket launcher

T-103 D: Deployed much later, and chases Hunk during his escape through the RPD. Fate unknown, but ultimately nuked along with the city.

Even if you argue that T-103 A through C are all the same tyrant, due to Leon and Claire's scenarios occurring in mutually exclusive timelines, and C simply being A that survived the C-4, T-103 D still has to be separate, unless Hunk never encountered Mr. X canonically, or if we make the ludicrous claim that the tyrant survived either being cut in half or exploded from the hips up.


Hunks intro and ending are canon, not the gameplay. The massive amounts of enemies and multiple Mr.Xs in his mode are not canon and just there for the challenge. It is canon that there is only one Mr.X in the RPD and the other 5 go to the Dead Factory. Capcom just f***ed up the scenarios and story in the remake and thats why it feels like theres more then one. The stories dont intertwine like the original and are “parallel universes”.

Plus like Suspiria said, the ivy’s in his mode in both the original and remake in the RPD make no sense. Theres no way they wandered all the way from the labs to the station. One the lab was destroyed and two they arent smart enough to use elevators and stuff.
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User Info: Alxyjuno

Alxyjuno
4 weeks ago#8
Stover46 posted...
The Hunk one might not be canon. Could just be gameplay/story segregation.
Hunk escapes the RPD right before the bombs fall, after fighting through Umbrella creatures. It doesn't necessarily mean that everything that happens in his gameplay is what actually happened in lore.


Really? I always thought Hunk's arc was mostly canonical, give or take stuff like
..Umbrella Corps...lol

Kalderus posted...
Syn_Vengeance posted...

Hunk escapes Raccoon City literally right before the bombs drop and around the exact same time as Jill and Carlos. Leon and Claire at this point have been out of the city for atleast a day.


Which means lore-wise, if Hunk did run into Mr. X, there had to have been multiple Mr. X's/T-103's wandering around near the police station-orphanage-sewer areas since by the time Hunk was escaping through the PD, Leon had already blown up the one chasing him earlier.

I know people will claim there was only 1 Mr. X around the RPD, and the rest were all deployed to the dead factory, but it just doesn't make sense that way. Although even Capcom themselves have claimed that there is only one tyrant and that its mutually exclusive deaths either from being eviscerated by Birkin in the elevator, or being blown up by Leon's RL are in parallel/alternate universes/timelines, logic-wise there had to have been at least 4 tyrants in and around the RPD for any coherent story to make sense.

T-103 A: Chases Leon in the RPD. Crushed by Ada with a SWAT van then blown up with C-4

(Note*: This can't also be the same one that later appears in the lab, since its limiter trench coat is completely intact and undamaged, which would be impossible if it had just survived an explosion. All it takes is a few flames in NEST to destroy/irreparably damage the trench coat on that one, far less than a truck full of plastic explosives)

T-103 B: Chases Claire in the RPD. Cut in half by Birkin at the orphanage underground elevator

T-103 C: Appears in NEST chasing Leon after collecting the Lvl III security card. Becomes the super tyrant, then gets blown with the rocket launcher

T-103 D: Deployed much later, and chases Hunk during his escape through the RPD. Fate unknown, but ultimately nuked along with the city.

Even if you argue that T-103 A through C are all the same tyrant, due to Leon and Claire's scenarios occurring in mutually exclusive timelines, and C simply being A that survived the C-4, T-103 D still has to be separate, unless Hunk never encountered Mr. X canonically, or if we make the ludicrous claim that the tyrant survived either being cut in half or exploded from the hips up.


Exactly, there's just too much parallel timelines going on and I wish there was some sort of definitive and/or authoritative timeline of the entirety of events within Raccoon City timeline...
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Waffen8888
4 weeks ago#9
Bottom line, Capcom dropped the ball on the remake. Graphically good with good gameplay. Story wise? It's in the toilet as it makes little sense.
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User Info: OverlordDeath

OverlordDeath
4 weeks ago#10
Even if they met, both Mr. X and Nemesis are Umbrella creatures: nothing would've happened between them. They both have their assigned missions, so they probably would've just walked past each other without even a glance.
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