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User Info: Rarcencel

Rarcencel
1 month ago#111
Alarei posted...
I am a veteran fan though and (I feel dirty even saying this) but @Aeptia might actually have a point. It's not Tifa's personality that's changed (she's still shy, nervous, caring etc) it's the writing around her and Cloud. I've been replaying the original over the last couple of days and I noticed that right from the beginning you can tell something is up with Tifa. You can tell she's on edge with Cloud. You can tell she's anxious. She keeps bringing up the past when it doesn't seem like a natural thing to say, like she's prodding him for information while being weirdly coddling of a supposed hardened soldier. Cloud even asks her "what's going on" like even his dense ass knows there's something wrong. On the face of it, Cloud seems fine and he's saying all the right things so it's odd that she's pushing so hard. Of course then you learn that she found him slumped over and delirious about a week before this all started and he's been talking s*** that he shouldn't know about relating to the most traumatic period in her life and you realize "ohhh, that's why she was so weird in the beginning and evasive later on".
Tbf, the OG is never clear about when did they meet.

We know they met at the train station and the timeframe between Zack's last stand and first bombing mission is two months but Where was Cloud during that time? We can safely assume Cloud wasn't at the Seventh Heaven in the last two months because Tifa only rent him a room after first mission.

You're right, in the OG Tifa is worry about Cloud in very early game. I always thought that was because she was with him for a while.
But lot of things has changed in the remake, it's just not their personalities. Through their conversations, I got the impression that they just met few days ago, Cloud already remembered "he killed Sephiroth" and bunch other stuff.
Their backgrounds are weird this time, especially Zack seems to be alive, "how did they meet?" is a question mark now .

Part 2 will clear things up a little.

User Info: Aeptia

Aeptia
1 month ago#112
Rarcencel posted...
Tbf, the OG is never clear about when did they meet.

We know they met at the train station and the timeframe between Zack's last stand and first bombing mission is two months but Where was Cloud during that time? We can safely assume Cloud wasn't at the Seventh Heaven in the last two months because Tifa only rent him a room after first mission.
According to the FF Wikia:
  • Late September - Zack has his last stand against Shinra. Cloud heads off to Midgar
  • 5 October - Tifa finds Cloud in the Sector 7 Slums and is troubled by his strange behavior. Cloud claims he is a former SOLDIER 1st Class and, wanting to keep a close eye on him, Tifa invites him into AVALANCHE to work as a soldier-for-hire
  • 9 December - The new AVALANCHE launches an attack against Shinra as Cloud, Barret, Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie blow up the Sector 1 Reactor
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_timeline

There's supposedly no information on what happens in the time between Tifa finding Cloud and the Bombing Mission.

You're right, in the OG Tifa is worry about Cloud in very early game. I always thought that was because she was with him for a while.
But lot of things has changed in the remake, it's just not their personalities. Through their conversations, I got the impression that they just met few days ago, Cloud already remembered "he killed Sephiroth" and bunch other stuff.
Their backgrounds are weird this time, especially Zack seems to be alive, "how did they meet?" is a question mark now .

Part 2 will clear things up a little.
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User Info: Becko

Becko
1 month ago#113
She was way too kind to Cloud ... like he was some kind of god to her

Personality-wise she was more Tifa on AC than on Remake... it’s like if SE reinvented her personality to “Sweet Tifa”

User Info: Brocknoth

Brocknoth
1 month ago#114
Aeptia posted...
It's clear that there is no one really reigning in the ideas of these people on this production and it shows.

I've been saying it for years now but what the Square side of Enix is currently lacking is good leadership. Sakaguchi really was the glue holding all this talent together while at the same time guiding them in a way that allowed them to be creative but reasonable. Now that no one is holding the proverbial leash you've got a group of barking dogs all trying to be the loudest. IE they have no idea what they're doing and it shows HORRIBLY. <_<

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Dogsauce
1 month ago#115
tcaud posted...
She's a left communitarian. They are like that. Didn't come across in the original game as strongly (because you couldn't hear the tone), but she's a Hillary Clinton.

tcaud posted...
She's a left communitarian. They are like that. Didn't come across in the original game as strongly (because you couldn't hear the tone), but she's a Hillary Clinton.

Wtf? She is not Hilary Clinton
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User Info: MegaHam01

MegaHam01
1 month ago#116
Becko posted...
She was way too kind to Cloud ... like he was some kind of god to her

Personality-wise she was more Tifa on AC than on Remake... it’s like if SE reinvented her personality to “Sweet Tifa”
Pretty much this, they were trying too hard to make her cute and sweet instead of being her own character

User Info: Rarcencel

Rarcencel
1 month ago#117
She was always a sweet and cute person until Whirlwind maze. It's obviously the incident that breaks both Cloud and tifa's character. Most people got the wrong impression of her personality because Tifa doesn't do anything in disc 1.

I'm not a biggest fan of Remake's writing either but will give SE benefit of the doubt because character interaction in OG sucks and doesn't age well so Remake may be an improvement. Can't tell
You've already seen Topics calling Cloud a bad/overrated protagonist for the same reason. Introvert character needs time to grow and multiple parts setting isn't doing them any favor.

Meanwhile "Barret yells loudest = he's great character"

User Info: RebelofDaNew

RebelofDaNew
1 month ago#118
Aeptia posted...
Good points. I was hoping that Remake would actually address Tifa's negative traits. That would be a good way to develop her character. Where I am in the original, it doesn't seem this ever happens, although it's clear that she is primarily meant to be the representation of the Tiferet sefirot on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, more than actually be her own character in the original. As a result, her character doesn't get a chance to shine in the original until after she satisfies this aspect for Cloud in the lifestream at Mideel, with her character opening up immediately as a result. The Remake is supposedly about expanding everything though, including the characters, so they don't have this aspect to excuse similar decisions here like the OG has. With scenes like Chapter 18, it's clear that her character, or lack of one, won't be properly explored, instead opting for the mishmash of plot convenient portrayals they intend instead.

The issue is that this Remake seems largely influenced by the Compilation. Which sucked. On the other hand, it's the version of FF7 most people know about, and it's everywhere. And it's far simpler. So it's easy to miss the more detailed, less accessible writing from the first game.

I don't know what that reference is, but all I care about in objective analysis is character depth. This version of Tifa has much less than the original, which is very pathetic when you consider that they're not only doing a Remake that's supposed to be better in every way--but that they had over 20 years to add on to her and make her even better.

Then again, maybe they're just popcorning things for the newer audience. Which is a disservice to them imo, but whatever. So many people didn't get the first game's story, that also wouldn't surprise me.
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frankspank
4 weeks ago#119
Aeptia posted...
make me wonder if Square Enix actually understand Tifa's character at all.

I'm betting they understand her a lot more than you do.

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CarbonButtflap
4 weeks ago#120
Aeptia posted...
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I've been playing through Final Fantasy VII and the biggest change out of the main party in Remake has to be Tifa. She's a completely different person at times in VII Remake. She often outwardly expresses an incredibly meek and fearful personality, and there are a few scenes which make me wonder if Square Enix actually understand Tifa's character at all.

Why does she feel trapped because of the AVALANCHE bombings?
https://youtu.be/5j-T_G2vTmg?t=34

Why is she so nervous before the Bombing Mission?
https://youtu.be/HQ8uLAUKT8k?t=82

Why is she so quick to blame AVALANCHE for what she knows was clearly the fault of Shinra?
https://youtu.be/9YGUAB48t1U?t=82

Why is she grabbing Barret with so much submissiveness here and speaking in a docile manner?
https://youtu.be/qsJH_yoaXok?t=68

Why is she grabbing Cloud and shaking her head like that?
https://youtu.be/Y_ZCPRAHkpA?t=53

Why is she so unsettled by the fact that normal people work for Shinra?
https://youtu.be/spYW7VbMzuU?t=226

While I understand that Tifa wasn't the spunkiest, go-getting personality in VII, she certainly wasn't this fearful. The biggest change I noticed was a stark difference with how she acts before the Bombing Mission in Sector 5. In the original, she just goes along with the team with little issue. In Remake, she mentions that she feels trapped, is very nervous and fidgety and is presented as being uptight and unrelaxed. That is until she gets off the train, and suddenly she's back to kicking Shinra butt and solving puzzles like an overactive child. She even celebrates when they're galavanting around Mako Reactor 5.

There are a few scenes where she acts like a completely different character across the entirety of Remake, and I'm not sure why they thought those scenes made any lick of sense. Then again, I am talking about a game with literal plot ghosts so maybe these misgivings are par for the course.
Tifa was always pretty reserved in the midgar section.

she responds to a lot of things by wondering if cloud is okay, checking him constantly and being concerned about things he says or does.

she responds to a lot of other things with silence, mentions later on the game then there were things that he didn't know that he should and other things... He shouldn't have known
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