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User Info: DiogoShadowJorg

DiogoShadowJorg
2 years ago#31
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Well sure, if you pick the right weapons, anything becomes easier to hit. Also the only way Hinata is ever going to risk being crit is if he's not in Dual Guard. It also doesn't help that Spearmasters have extra crit rate.

The Pratice Katana has lower hit rate, about 85%. All the other weapons have higher hit rate for the most part.

Either way, as long Hinata is in Dual Guard, there should be no risk whatsoever.

Siegfried: 80% Hit.
Practice Katana: 80% Hit.
Brynhildr: 80% Hit.
Hinata at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on an open field: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpAlbE2kZH4SF has 50~ accuracy.
Xander at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEKzAkIiDxyd has 77~ accuracy.
Leo at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid with Heart Seeker: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEvwgodIPSmg

No, it's nothing about the weapon hit rates. Hinata just cannot hit anything.


50% is still passable. I like how you convenently choose the worst possible match up to make Hinata look bad. Not to mention that you didn't even bothered to Dual Attack or Dual Guard him like the others.

No kidding, with Dual Attack, even Hinata would have a 70% chance or so.

Well for then, here's Xander and Leo unpaired and away from any pair up bonuses: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE4h4pC3Zxhp
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE6a4L-mDxqu
Hinata is still inferior to the two without their support and pair up bonus.

Edit, Hinata vs the same Spear Master: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFHn87rn1Icv


No kidding. How did you manage to misunderstood what I said in the previous post? Hinata WITH Dual Guard or Attack Stance.

You are allowing enemies to dual attack. Both Hinata and Leo are screwed obviously.

At least Hinata can survive. Leo is dead.

Now, see if you can actually understand what I'm saying this time. Hinata with Dual Attack or Dual Guard will have the same advantages as Leo with the same thing. All your characters had dual guard or attack stance, Hinata had neither in the original picture you posted.

Not to mention that Hinata has way more LUK than Leo has. There's no way he's getting crit while Leo doesn't.
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natu1234
2 years ago#32
Are people seriously arguing over the worth of Hinata?

I can't believe it.
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TheHusbandoWar
2 years ago#33
natu1234 posted...
Are people seriously arguing over the worth of Hinata?

I can't believe it.

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User Info: ErgoTnia

ErgoTnia
2 years ago#34
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Well sure, if you pick the right weapons, anything becomes easier to hit. Also the only way Hinata is ever going to risk being crit is if he's not in Dual Guard. It also doesn't help that Spearmasters have extra crit rate.

The Pratice Katana has lower hit rate, about 85%. All the other weapons have higher hit rate for the most part.

Either way, as long Hinata is in Dual Guard, there should be no risk whatsoever.

Siegfried: 80% Hit.
Practice Katana: 80% Hit.
Brynhildr: 80% Hit.
Hinata at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on an open field: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpAlbE2kZH4SF has 50~ accuracy.
Xander at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEKzAkIiDxyd has 77~ accuracy.
Leo at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid with Heart Seeker: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEvwgodIPSmg

No, it's nothing about the weapon hit rates. Hinata just cannot hit anything.


50% is still passable. I like how you convenently choose the worst possible match up to make Hinata look bad. Not to mention that you didn't even bothered to Dual Attack or Dual Guard him like the others.

No kidding, with Dual Attack, even Hinata would have a 70% chance or so.

Well for then, here's Xander and Leo unpaired and away from any pair up bonuses: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE4h4pC3Zxhp
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE6a4L-mDxqu
Hinata is still inferior to the two without their support and pair up bonus.

Edit, Hinata vs the same Spear Master: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFHn87rn1Icv


No kidding. How did you manage to misunderstood what I said in the previous post? Hinata WITH Dual Guard or Attack Stance.

You are allowing enemies to dual attack. Both Hinata and Leo are screwed obviously.

At least Hinata can survive. Leo is dead.

Now, see if you can actually understand what I'm saying this time. Hinata with Dual Attack or Dual Guard will have the same advantages as Leo with the same thing. All your characters had dual guard or attack stance, Hinata had neither in the original picture you posted.

If I need to use two units just to hit one that isn't even a boss, they better actually have at least 80~ Hit. Guess what, Hinata still can't even accurately hit this: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFnsM8qdAjRz
Maybe YOU should try accepting that Hoshido has a BAD UNIT named HINATA.
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User Info: DiogoShadowJorg

DiogoShadowJorg
2 years ago#35
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Well sure, if you pick the right weapons, anything becomes easier to hit. Also the only way Hinata is ever going to risk being crit is if he's not in Dual Guard. It also doesn't help that Spearmasters have extra crit rate.

The Pratice Katana has lower hit rate, about 85%. All the other weapons have higher hit rate for the most part.

Either way, as long Hinata is in Dual Guard, there should be no risk whatsoever.

Siegfried: 80% Hit.
Practice Katana: 80% Hit.
Brynhildr: 80% Hit.
Hinata at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on an open field: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpAlbE2kZH4SF has 50~ accuracy.
Xander at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEKzAkIiDxyd has 77~ accuracy.
Leo at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid with Heart Seeker: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEvwgodIPSmg

No, it's nothing about the weapon hit rates. Hinata just cannot hit anything.


50% is still passable. I like how you convenently choose the worst possible match up to make Hinata look bad. Not to mention that you didn't even bothered to Dual Attack or Dual Guard him like the others.

No kidding, with Dual Attack, even Hinata would have a 70% chance or so.

Well for then, here's Xander and Leo unpaired and away from any pair up bonuses: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE4h4pC3Zxhp
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE6a4L-mDxqu
Hinata is still inferior to the two without their support and pair up bonus.

Edit, Hinata vs the same Spear Master: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFHn87rn1Icv


No kidding. How did you manage to misunderstood what I said in the previous post? Hinata WITH Dual Guard or Attack Stance.

You are allowing enemies to dual attack. Both Hinata and Leo are screwed obviously.

At least Hinata can survive. Leo is dead.

Now, see if you can actually understand what I'm saying this time. Hinata with Dual Attack or Dual Guard will have the same advantages as Leo with the same thing. All your characters had dual guard or attack stance, Hinata had neither in the original picture you posted.

If I need to use two units just to hit one that isn't even a boss, they better actually have at least 80~ Hit. Guess what, Hinata still can't even accurately hit this: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFnsM8qdAjRz
Maybe YOU should try accepting that Hoshido has a BAD UNIT named HINATA.


Way better this way. no critical risks and still has a 50% chance of hitting, with attack stance he would have 60% which is about only 20% less than Shadow Yato's attack stance from Corrin.

You are the one who needs to accept that passable hit rate against a WTD weapons doesn't make a bad unit.
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User Info: ErgoTnia

ErgoTnia
2 years ago#36
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
with attack stance he would have 60%

Nope.
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DiogoShadowJorg
2 years ago#37
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
with attack stance he would have 60%

Nope.
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFsdAGRaQ2Td


Close enough. That's good enough to me.
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TheHusbandoWar
2 years ago#38
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
with attack stance he would have 60%

Nope.
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFsdAGRaQ2Td


Close enough. That's good enough to me.

A 15% would be good enough for you at this point
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User Info: DiogoShadowJorg

DiogoShadowJorg
2 years ago#39
TheHusbandoWar posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
with attack stance he would have 60%

Nope.
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFsdAGRaQ2Td


Close enough. That's good enough to me.

A 15% would be good enough for you at this point


No. But 45% would still be passable. Any less is pushing it a bit tough.
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RJrockstar
2 years ago#40
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
ErgoTnia posted...
DiogoShadowJorg posted...
Well sure, if you pick the right weapons, anything becomes easier to hit. Also the only way Hinata is ever going to risk being crit is if he's not in Dual Guard. It also doesn't help that Spearmasters have extra crit rate.

The Pratice Katana has lower hit rate, about 85%. All the other weapons have higher hit rate for the most part.

Either way, as long Hinata is in Dual Guard, there should be no risk whatsoever.

Siegfried: 80% Hit.
Practice Katana: 80% Hit.
Brynhildr: 80% Hit.
Hinata at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on an open field: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpAlbE2kZH4SF has 50~ accuracy.
Xander at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEKzAkIiDxyd has 77~ accuracy.
Leo at a WTD attacking a Spear Master on Stairways which grant extra avoid with Heart Seeker: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpEvwgodIPSmg

No, it's nothing about the weapon hit rates. Hinata just cannot hit anything.


50% is still passable. I like how you convenently choose the worst possible match up to make Hinata look bad. Not to mention that you didn't even bothered to Dual Attack or Dual Guard him like the others.

No kidding, with Dual Attack, even Hinata would have a 70% chance or so.

Well for then, here's Xander and Leo unpaired and away from any pair up bonuses: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE4h4pC3Zxhp
https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpE6a4L-mDxqu
Hinata is still inferior to the two without their support and pair up bonus.

Edit, Hinata vs the same Spear Master: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFHn87rn1Icv


No kidding. How did you manage to misunderstood what I said in the previous post? Hinata WITH Dual Guard or Attack Stance.

You are allowing enemies to dual attack. Both Hinata and Leo are screwed obviously.

At least Hinata can survive. Leo is dead.

Now, see if you can actually understand what I'm saying this time. Hinata with Dual Attack or Dual Guard will have the same advantages as Leo with the same thing. All your characters had dual guard or attack stance, Hinata had neither in the original picture you posted.

If I need to use two units just to hit one that isn't even a boss, they better actually have at least 80~ Hit. Guess what, Hinata still can't even accurately hit this: https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/WVW69jpFnsM8qdAjRz
Maybe YOU should try accepting that Hoshido has a BAD UNIT named HINATA.


Way better this way. no critical risks and still has a 50% chance of hitting, with attack stance he would have 60% which is about only 20% less than Shadow Yato's attack stance from Corrin.

You are the one who needs to accept that passable hit rate against a WTD weapons doesn't make a bad unit.


52% is not passable. Especially not when you need to land 4 hits. Especially not when the enemy does 22 damage and then seals your defense. That is 1 point away from a 2HKO. Leo has the same hitrate when attacked from range.

Leo can also switch to the calamity gate and outright kill the opponent, whereas Hinata won't have enough speed with the dual Katana and will therefore get sealed.
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